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Thoughts on homeschooling?

06:09, Thursday, October 9, 2008 .. 4 comments .. Link
So I was reading a quick post over at morningsunshine's blog regarding homeschooling, and found myself with varied emotions over the topic. I don't have the energy to go into the whole rant again, so I'm just posting the comment I left over there here:


Honestly, I don't know what I think of homeschooling. I really don't! The public school system definitely failed me academically, there's no denying that; I spent most of high school barely passing my classes because I was too busy studying in my own time all of the interesting things my school didn't offer. Can you blame me? Who wants to learn what a verb is as a HIGH SCHOOLER (!) when one not only already KNOWS that but would rather spend one's time studying linguistics or something. A couple of my friends and I were taking a college-sophomore English class online because we weren't being challenged in our senior AP English then, and even the online class was mind-numbingly boring and pointless (the reading was excellent, but the lack of interesting, thought-provoking discussion and the abundance of demeaning questions shadowed that for sure). Public schools seem to think that if someone is under the age of 22 they need to babied, talked down to, and not entrusted with any sort of responsibility unless it involves pages and pages of repetitious homework requiring time, not thought, that will get you a failing grade if you don't complete it. Bah.

However - the part of homeschooling that scares me is the lack of socialization. My mom tried to homeschool me when I entered the seventh grade, and it was a total failure - I loved learning, but as an only child I lost interest when I had no competition or fellow students with whom I could have a sense of teamwork or camaraderie. On top of that, I became *incredibly* lonely, even though I had plenty of neighbor kids to play with when they got home from school. Lastly, when I went back to public school the following year, I found I'd really missed something: the last time I'd gone to school, in 6th grade, my classmates and I were children. Now, in 8th grade, I found that everyone around me was much older, not nearly as innocent, and entering full-blown adolescence, a world I knew nothing about. It was an almost traumatizing experience; I felt so out of place and confused! I tried homeschooling again the first semester of ninth grade, this time with a small co-op of ten kids in a class taught by the moms. It was a little better, but I still had a hard time, and because of the 'class' setting I still couldn't really go at my own pace. Even if I'd stayed at home and *gone* at my own pace, my mother would never have been able to keep up with me, and I didn't have the discipline to teach myself (what kind of kid does without some kind of influence, like a parent?).

Not to mention, of course, all of the homeschooled kids I've known over the years who don't know how to chat with people, who are painfully shy and can't make friends, who don't know how to brush their hair or dress nicely, who are just plain awkward to be around, who are afraid of anyone outside of their family and church group. How are these kids going to make it when they go to college, or try to travel, or get a career? I am NOT trying to make an attack on homeschooled families, please hear me; I've met a few well-adapted homeschoolers whose schooling has been magnificent for them, as well. It's just that those kids seem to be in the minority, and I know my own experiences with homeschooling were painful at best.

Sorry for the long rant - I got carried away! This should have been a blog post, but it's also directly tied to yours, and I'm anxious to hear what others have to say about it. I really, really want to believe in homeschooling, but I've seen it fail so many times that it's really hard. :-( But I don't think public school is the answer, either.


So yeah. Thoughts, anyone? I know most people here probably lean toward homeschooling; are there any proponents for public school out there? I am eager to here both sides, as I am currently extremely disillusioned with both.

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07:27, Friday, October 10, 2008 .. Posted by gokings13
We 'public schooled' thru the 6th grade.
5 star school rating.
Middle class part of town.
Low crime rate.
Brand new high school.
It looked great, on the outside.

Inside?
No physical science. Nope none. Only "social science".
Anti-American projects for grades.
The removal of the National Anthem.
The feminization of the boys.
The masculinaztion of girls.
My daughters 5th grade teacher was SO STONED when we did the parent teacher conference, I told him next time he showed up that high I was gonna call the police.
He laughed.
13 pregnant 6th graders (650 total 6th graders, you do the percent)
Porn is not seen as disgusting.
I could go on and on....
So. We prayed, together, every single day when I dropped them off..........every day for one school year.
God said "GET THEM OUT".
I said "Ok".

I did both. Public and Home school.
Public was not God's Will. With that came consequences to the things the kids were exposed too.
Home School is in God's Will (and in His Word) and it has been an Abundant Blessing!

Funny you mention unkept, nonverbal kids.
We don't do home school groups, co-ops, youth group, or any "group" activity.
My daughters were just complimented the other day for their ability to carry on an intelligent, and interesting conversation with adults. She went on to say that most kids she encounters they talk with their heads down, and mumble............
Hmmmmmmm
Mine were raised from the time they could hold their heads up........EYE CONTACT.
So I guess this falls on the parents.
If they don't train the children to be IN the world, not of IT, they are doing them a huge disservice. And they are not doing what God has asked of them...........which we all know that's not going to end well :-)

I see your point. It's a good point.
I am glad you ask the questions.
As a home schooling mom, no matter if it grammatically correct or not......always ask the question. You can't learn, if you don't ask (which is not promoted in Public Schools because their mission is to indoctrinate, and turn the kids into mindless robots, that goose step to their commands)

At the end of the day, for our Believing family:
Public School and God's Word didn't line up.
He called us to home school, we answered yes.

And I take "train them up in the Way they should go"........seriously.

Great post!!
Laura

PS: I think I will blog this too!!

Edited by gokings13 on Friday, October 10, 2008 at 11:24

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09:13, Friday, October 10, 2008 .. Posted by morningsunshine
I have a ds6 - yesterday he was adding 2 sets of triple digit numbers IN HIS HEAD (ie - 128 + 357 = 485 ). About a year ago, he started teaching himself multiplication (by counting 7 four times and telling me that 7x4=28). He reads on what what would be considered a 5th or 6th grade level (which is a real pain to find him books: that level of reading ability has content MUCH too old for his maturity.) I am preparing for the day, in just a few years, where I will no longer know what I am teaching him. I hope that I will have taught him to be a self-directed learner by the time we get to that point. But I know this, there is NO WAY I will put him in a public school - can you imagine a 1st grade teacher trying to teach 3-letter words and counting to 100 to this boy? Not to mention what it would do to him academically, mentally and psychologically (he would be bored and start acting out).

I have some friends, I have known him since high school, he was probably one of my best friends. Not too apt socially. His wife (best move he ever made, marrying her! She is my best girlfriend now!) was homeschooled and talks to everyone and just has a knack of being friendly and open and genuinely caring for people.
The homeschool moms I know are always eager to talk to people, engage others in conversation, and in general show/demonstrate social behavior to their children. I think this is a big part of children learning to socialize - watching parents model it. And these moms encourage their kids to talk to professionals, ask what they are doing, and why.
Last year we were in a homeschool production of "Christmas Carol." During one of the rehearsals, I was sitting in the other room with younger children and other mos when ds5 (at the time) came running in. I thought he had been dismissed, but he came in for some of the coloring paper we had for the littles. Right behind him was 3-4 young teens (13-15) and they were following him so that he could show them how to make an oragami cup. Neither he nor they were awkward about teaching/learning from someone so different in age.

Now mine is long and rambling! LOL!

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09:17, Friday, October 10, 2008 .. Posted by LivingSimple
Hmmmm...not real sure what children you have been around that are 'anti-social'. I have been homeschooling for 12 years. My oldest daughter(homeschooled all through highschool) is married(had to be social to meet her husband), she has 2 children, she has a job in a major hotel chain(has to be social to do that since she deals with 'check-ins' daily)..My youngest is now 12, she loves other people, she is special needs so her social skills are a bit lacking, but NOT due to homeschooling, she is a victim of head trauma. My brother has homeschooled his 2 boys for 10 years, they play football, soccer, anda myriad of other 'outside activities, go to many church functions they belong to a 'mega' church with LOTS of other children their age, they have many friends and are very polite well mannered young men.(ages 17 and 15) My sister also homeschooled her 2 daughters, both are very social, employed in jobs where they must deal with the public daily..I know MANY homeschooled children and none of which are backwards, strange, weird or anti-social...the ones I know are very outgoing, friendly, intelligent and very eager to engage in conversation with adults and children. Adults and children alike have different personalities, I am very shy in person and I tend to like being home rather than around alot of people...I am very much an introvert, I was the product of public school, the education I received did not make me an introvert...I was definatly 'socialized', went to school for 13 years and some college..but I suppose some would call me weird cause I just perfer to not be around people alot..other than close friends or family...Of course there are homeschoolers the same way, maybe its just personality and not because of the way they are educated. Some may have special needs that make them seem backwards as in the case of my adopted daughter. Please don't lump all homeschoolers in the same category, things are not always as they seem.

Blessings,
~Kris

Encouragement for you Sarah!

12:33, Friday, October 10, 2008 .. Posted by gokings13
1 Corinthians 1:25-27
25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.
26 Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth.
27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

Sarah,
God didn't choose me to home school my kids because *I* am so smart. I do not have a high school diploma myself.
HE chose to work THROUGH me to show HIS mighty power. I am just the vessel He works through.........
My oldest has taken the SAT and ACT exams, and has scored well enough (though she didn't take a study class) to obtain scholarships from the Big 10 schools.
GOD is why. Not me.

Laura

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