The Bigger Half
Saturday, June 7, 2008
Large families, food stamps, and deductive reasoning

I'm back.  Sorry for the confusion.  We'll get things back to normal here shortly.

In the meantime...
       I wish I could share with ya'll the exact words of an anonymus comment I received yesterday morning in response to my post about expecting our 6th baby.  Alas, it's gone as with everything else I'd had posted.  The gist of it was, "people like you make me sick.  You say the Lord is providing for you but you're on food stamps which means it's my tax dollars feeding your ridiculosly large family.  Get on birth control."  I don't remember word for word (it was a good bit longer) as I was more than a little shocked, having never had anything so absoulutely cruel said to me in my life.
        A couple things stood out, though.  I've been chewing on this since I read it and I believe I know who the Commenter is and would, for a moment, like to address her.
       The first and most obvious clue to your identity is your knowing that my family receives food stamps.  This means that you know my family personally, apart from my blog.  Secondly, I believe you claim to be a Christian by your use of "The Lord" and not "Your God", that narrows it down further.  Also, you're the only person that I know that would (even claiming Christ) deliberately seek to hurt me (and know where to find my blog), particularly in regards to child-rearing and family.  You never responded to my email sharing the pregnancy news with you, though I know you read it.  You would have been hurt maybe by my sharing my heart about the law and so maybe you felt justified in hurting me back (though why on this topic and not that, I don't know), but I suspect you were angry and bitter way before that.  Well, I want you to know that I forgive you.  I'm very, very sorry you feel the way you do - about me and my family and about yourself and your children.  I pray for you daily and truly do love you, even if we butt heads sometimes.  You are still welcome in my home and welcome to share our food (as you have many times without issue).

Now, as for my thoughts about foodstamps....
        I long to be off food stamps.  I hate relying on the govenment for food (or anything).  My family is working very hard toward this end by praying fervrently, getting out of debt, living frugally, and establishing a homestead where we can raise most of our own food.  In the meantime, food stamps are the way the Lord has provided.  It's our tax dollars, too!  You and I would still have to pay the same amount of taxes toward welfare no matter how many children I have or whether or not I receive assistance.  I should also mention there is absolutely no crime in receiving food stamps.  It's not like I'm lying or stealing.  This is the provision made for families in our country who have a hard time scraping by.  My family is not one of those lazy folks that sit around and lives off the government with no intent to change.  We work hard and don't complain.
      That said, I hate the system (not a complaint - a fact).   It's rotten to the core and has taken an independent nation and created a dependent nation out of it (not without the help of the people, of course!).  If it weren't so corrupt we'd all be able to provide plenty of food for our own families AND enough for the widows and orphans and other needy peoples.  Welfare is a church issue, not a government issue.  The government lacks the two crucial elements for proper welfare - discernment and compassion.  Shame on the church for giving it up!  When I was first in a position of need, when Bobby and I were seperated for awhile in '03, I turned to my church body for help and they looked at me in horror and told me to go get on food stamps.  We've been receiving food stamps ever since.  We have never liked it and like I said, have been working our way off it.  Much more difficult with the price of everything rising.  Here's some of the steps we're taking:
     Constant prayer for wisdom and provision - for us and our nation
     Getting out of debt (including a commitment to never borrow again)
     Living frugally in a hundred other ways ("Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without" is our new household motto)
     Raising chickens for eggs and, soon, meat
     Raising goats for milk and meat (buy a place with outbuildings and fencing if at all possible!  Knowing what I know now, having had to start from scratch, I would have given up a lot in the way of people housing to have critter housing and fencing)
      Not owning any animals that don't earn their keep
      Gardening & putting food by, including starting my plants from seeds and saving my own seeds for the purpose of a) perserving varieties that the government can't touch and b) saving money
      Learning to buy and cook frugally for a time when our food provision isn't so abundant

        I should note that we're raising our children to be hard workers and dependent on the Lord and hopefully they will not make some of the ignorant mistakes we did and won't need to turn to such a faulty system.  At any rate, they'll grow and learn to trust the Lord and will be an asset to society and not a liability- shouldn't we have a couple dozen kids, then?
         Ya know, I think there's something much deeper going on when someone thinks you're having too many kids.  I don't think it's about what you can afford... most of the time it doesn't affect anyone else anyway.  It's not about food or shelter, not about clothes or toys, not about college or cars....  Hopefully it's not about not having enough love and attention...  So what is it?  What is it really that makes some people just look down at you when you have more than your 2.5 and a dog?


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Saturday, June 7, 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by GypsyFarmGirl


Bravo sister!!, I remember when my then boyfriend and I were just starting out with a young daughter we had while in Highschool, we were on food stamps for a lil while, and Jason worked hard, it was not his doing that the company he worked for went bankrupt leaving us with no money or nothing to care for us. Shame on those that blast the few that do try to not need assistance but subsequently it may be the only route until an alternative is found. My mother was a single mom for some time raising 5 kids she worked 3 different jobs and still didnt make enough money to pay rent, utilities and food on the table, was it her fault that the men in her lives left and took the money with them?leaving my mother in debt...... Hmmm gosh forbid this person to whom you may know that left that comment ever find themselves in a dilema to where they will need assitance at any point in their lives, regardless if its welfare or not.

JEANNIE


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Saturday, June 7, 2008 - Good for you!

Posted by Anonymous


I applaud you and your family's efforts to move away from government assistance. So many times, people lash out at others because of a great pain inside of themselves. Shall we say the garden in their heart has thorns. Sometimes when that thorn is touched, even unintentionally, it hurts them. Then they prick someone else with that thorn. I am so sorry that you were hurt. I admire the way you forgave this person. May God strenghen you in your resolve to not let this cause bitterness in you. I pray that God will bless you with the ability to meet all the goals that are pleasing to Him! Blessings, Cammy


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Saturday, June 7, 2008 - Well Said

Posted by momma25js


Sister.. I know that it is hard to feed a family especially a big family on what a person makes nowadays and I applaud your efforts.. Don't let that person who needs to worry about their own lives bother you.. Forgive and go on..

God Bless.
Marcia


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Saturday, June 7, 2008 - children and numbers

Posted by dukygurl


You know I often joke that you will have dozens of babies and WOW how do you raise all of them? I feel overwhelmed with three (my two daughters and baby nephew durring the week) I think fondly of large families, I am one of nine, whose mother refuse to abort her triplets though it cost her, her very life. How could I not be grateful for my exsistance? Even now I know the cost was greater even still at salvation...I am sorry for the comment that was made. I don't feel that I will have so many children, but you are organized, loving and hard working at what you believe. Your children have something MANY others do not. That constant family, the constant and (now) complete home. I don't think numbers are as importatnt as I thought before. My husband is one of five children, I can't imagine not having each of my girls...My friend in Scottland who is one of nine also said that her Mother often said to them " I cant imagine not having_____(name goes there) " saying really just that she loved each child so dearly that it became worth the hardships and pregnancies, all the hard work...
isn't that true? Even when, Like me, you don't feel like being steady, or responsible? Kind, or loving every minute...? The little darlings love us anyway and forgive, for now, our failings. They are little gifts that remind us also to be accepting and loving and easy to laugh..
:) Trish


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Saturday, June 7, 2008 - Im sorry this has happioned to you

Posted by godsgirlalways2001


Hello I am really sorry someone has said such mean things to you on your blog, Some people dont understand how hard things can be my husbund is diable and we live off his diabilty and it is not easy, Im am not a lazy woman eather but I am home takeing care of our to babys one is 3 and one is 1....Some people do not understand the day too day life of people, I am glad for the fact that you have taken charge and got food stamps too take care of your babys and so that they will have food in there bellys daily....God will provide as I always say and if that means he has provided you with the abilty too get food stamps that God bless you in that way.

~Ruth


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Saturday, June 7, 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by seventhheaven


How appaling. My family too is receiving food stamps. We are doing so for the purpose of hubby being able to go to school and then not receive them....... I think its a blessing to live in a country that has this privilege. Although some abuse it, believe it or not, not all of us do. And as for large families .... does this person see this as a sin. lol. What is a large family.... more than 2, 3, ? And besides whos business is this . My husband and I had two children that we planned and then God took over and gave us three more. I was on birth control with two of these and my hubby had surgery and we still had one more. O my. guess The Lord didnt know that having one more would be too many. Who decides this anyway. LOL. anyway just wanted to offer a word of encouragement and i went off on a rave lol.........


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Saturday, June 7, 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Daisyblend


You guys are awesome! Thanks for all the encouragement!


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Saturday, June 7, 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Anonymous


That's a good idea not having animals that don't earn their keep. We love our 5 cats and a dog, but with food prices (and everything else!) going up, have seriously considered giving them away to someone who can better afford them.


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Sunday, June 8, 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by gokings13


It must be flame week at HSB?
I had some woman light me up after viewing 40 of my blogs?

Out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks (the fingers type).
Matthew 15:18-20

As far as your personal life, it's none of anyones business, and you don't have to justify anything to anyone!!

It's people like these that make "and love your neighbor as yourself" almost impossible!! AH HA
Laura


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Sunday, June 8, 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by anomynous


I did not read the comment on your blog that you are referring to, but I heard about it from a friend.

Scripture says that you will know them(brothers and sisters in the Lord) by their fruit. There was not love or peace or joy or any godly fruit in that comment. But you responded with forgiveness and blessing. I'm encouraged, glad to know you, and am blessed by your public example.

As for the poor soul who posted such nasty sentiments? The Lord, Jesus, is able to give you that same kind of peace that was just demonstrated. He rises to show you compassion. Simply repent and ask for it. It would be foolish for me to pretend that I have not had to ask for the same from my Saviour. I know from experience that He will do as He promised.


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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Anonymous


that person was right - you shouldn't have a large family if you can't afford necessities such as food. Food stamps are not the answer to allow you to keep having children. And no they are also not an answer from "god" either. It is a form of welfare from the government - learn your history and know that they started in the late 1930's. Guess home schooling didn't teach you that.


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Wednesday, June 11, 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by dukygurl


If people are so vocal and ready to pounce and be sort of or even completely unkind...why don't they put a name to themselves? If this really bothers them why not just say so and not hide? It really is not such a big deal...until it gets personal, I don't think that anyone should say that you should not have children or that you have a "rediculously" large family. My great grandmother was abandond by her husband when the depression hit. She worked very hard and fed her six kids on one dollar a day that she earned doing laundry...she got remarried and had a seventh child. I don't really see the problem with a big family. I dont see the problem with feeding them however NECCESSARY. I don't think that it is anyone elses judgement to make. There are much worse issues than foodstamps that an activist could spend time on rather than belittling someone on their blog.


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Thursday, June 12, 2008 - Untitled Comment

Posted by Anonymous


you are right if a tragedy hits a family and someone becomes unemployed etc - then use government means to help your family survive until you can get back on your feet. However, if you cannot feed the family you already have I see a problem with continuing to not use birth control and having more and more babies. I do not want to pay to feed your children! Stop having them! Get a job! Why continue to have babies that you cannot FEED??? Welfare was not designed to so that women become baby making machines to get more food stamps. It is a shame that you are raising your children like this. "God" is not going to help you out of this one.


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Thursday, June 12, 2008 - <i>Untitled Comment</i>

Posted by Daisyblend


Anon,
What about "It's a faulty system and we're working our way off it it" did you miss?

I invite you to my house to meet each of my five children and tell them to their faces that they shouldn't have been born because their parents' weren't deemed by the world to have enough money.
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If we stopped receiving food stamps right now we wouldn't starve. We wouldn't have much more than what we can grow in our garden, but we'd eat. The Lord who has given us each precious child will continue to provide for our needs and despite popular belief, it does not cost very much to raise children, foodwise or otherwise. But like I said, it's not against the law to receive assistance, NO MATTER HOW MANY CHILDREN YOU HAVE (I don't think there's a clause that says if you get pregnant while on assistance you'll become ineligable to receive), and that is what we choose to do at this moment in time. I'm sorry folks have a problem with it. I suggest you stop paying taxes if this bothers you. I still insist there is a greater underlying issue. Apparently the Lord does not understand, like one of my lovely commenters said, just what constitutes too many children. And if us poor folk should limit our children, doesn't that put the responsibility on the wealthy to have bunches and bunches? I wonder why you don't often see it happening that way. I've been chewing on the fact that large families are way more economical than small families when you compare the dollar spent per head (what do you spent on heat, air, cooking, auto fuel, etc per person in YOUR household?), but that's kind of another topic....
-- Some people just miss the point, don't they?

Edited by Daisyblend on Thursday, June 12, 2008 at 02:48


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Thursday, June 12, 2008 - "God will not help you out on this one?"

Posted by dukygurl


That there is a bold statement. Birth control is not the answer either Anonymous, I think maybe you just don't like children, maybe you see them as burdensome...? Maybe you think that women should be separate from family life and staying home is a despiseable practice? That is too bad. The Bible is clear that children are a gift, and that the family who has many is blessed...Have you ever been to kaleesha's home? She lives for those children, they are bright, well behaved, well mannered and just darling. Do you have children? Since this has become personal what kind of parent are you? Do you see each day as an oppertunity to enrich the llives of those around you? or are you selfish, judgemental and negative? Do you really suppose that God is upset that there are food stamps for this family? What a strange thought, who are you that you know the mind/heart of God about such a topic? I think that God definitley hears the prays that ask for porvision and there is in the meantime, help from a man made source what is the real problem here Anonymous? You have attacked faith and family over this?


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